[fse-esf] ESF accommodation - requests/questions

Mon Jun 28 18:16:18 CEST 2010

Dear Maral,

i think you missed the point. I know very well the extreme difficulties of the organization. I also know that Eyup and Alp are the heroes of the Forum. My anger is not about the location of the solidarity accomodation, but about the time of the announcement.

Anyway, we are bringing our tents with us and we will participate in the camp of Macka Parque.

I hope all the best for the organization

In solidarity

Yannis Almpanis

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:38:06 +0300
From: jefroudi at gmail.com
To: fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org
Subject: Re: [fse-esf] ESF accommodation - requests/questions

Dear friends,
That's not the best way to start the istanbul 2010 social forum. Every country has its own problems, handicaps and also the beauties. Istanbul is a very big city, where millions of people change 'continents' to go to work or school every day and night. If it was possible to arrange a sports hall near the venues of the social forum there is no question that it would be done by the comrades. The TOC office, particularly Eyup and Alp, are working hard to solve the problems. Given the lack of money and the number of people working in the office -nearly 24 hours- I think we are not in a bad situation. 

While we wanted to make it in Istanbul I am sure we were aware of all kinds of problems that we could have faced, most of which have been solved by this very small group working in Istanbul. I had the chance to participate to the social forums in London and Athens. It's not a good idea to compare and contrast these processes. For sake of productivity and solidarity I humbly ask you to be more patient and not panic. 

Due to personal problems I am not actively working in TOC. However, I am sure that it is a good idea to keep in touch and go to the venues of the meetings for registration and further questions. We all have the phone number(with the extension), the office address and the addresses of the venues.

best,Maral jefroudi - ODP

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Yannis Almpanis <yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Alp,

the real problem is that you insist to not understand what is going on. 

So on Thursday what are we going to say to our bus driver? To go to the park or the sports hall?

P.S. By the way, in Athens there have not been such problems. Solidarity acomodation was 5 minutes walk from the venue, all the information was accessible on time, and the solidarity fund was bigger than ever.

From: farabundo_marti at hotmail.com
To: yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org

Subject: RE: [fse-esf] ESF accommodation - requests/questions
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:12:55 +0300

Dear Yannis,
We cannot understand why you are so 'furious' with us.  
We are solving the problems one by one with great effort. There are many problems, just like we had in Athens. We hope you understand us.

The tents area is just near the Macka venue.
Our priority is to solve the accomodation in a position nearby the venue. The Park is being designed as the social center of the Forum, with the stage, the stands and the tents.

But we keep the sports saloon (Kadikoy-Caferaga sports hall) as an alternative. 
Eyup is preparing a google map for the group.
We did not say that the participants 'should' bring tents, please read our mail once more. We said: "Everyone is kindly requested to bring sleeping bags and tents to the area, to facilitate the accomodation. However, please don't worry, those who don't have tents or sleeping bags will be provided with these means."

It is not an obligation, just a request, to help the organization. We are preparing enough tents for accomodation.
Registry will be in the gates of each three Faculties (Economics, Foregin Languages and Gumussuyu)

The march will be on the 3rd of July, 18.00 Osmanbey-Taksim.
Waiting for a comradely embrace,
Alp Altinors.

From: yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com

To: farabundo_marti at hotmail.com; gotlib at ns.nonel.pu.ru; esfaccomodation at gmail.com; eyupozer at gmail.com; turkanuzun at yahoo.com; simya at superonline.com; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org

Subject: RE: [fse-esf] ESF accommodation - requests/questions
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:46:56 +0200

Dear Alp,

i hope you realize that the TOC behavior is irresponsible. You have assured us that solidarity accomodation will be held in a sports hall near the ESF venue. Today (June 28) you have just informed us that the participants should bring tents. (Now some people in Athens should make tenths of phone calls to spead the news). Then, you have informed us that the famous sports hall (that we will probably need because it seems that on Thursday it will be rainning) is on the... Asian side of Istanbul and that collective transport will (when?) be arranged.

Still we dont't have a map of the park or of the sports hall (despite of our continuous demands by e mails or phone calls).
Still we don't know where to register.
Still the time and the place of the demo are not confirmed.

Still there is no information on the englsih website.

Please our dear comrades, if you intend to organize a Malmoe No2, just tell us. We still have the time to cancel our participation.

In solidarity

Yannis Almpanis

From: farabundo_marti at hotmail.com
To: gotlib at ns.nonel.pu.ru; esfaccomodation at gmail.com; eyupozer at gmail.com; turkanuzun at yahoo.com; simya at superonline.com; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:25:26 +0300
Subject: Re: [fse-esf] ESF accommodation - requests/questions

Dear all,
Special cases like Igor mentioned (elder people, etc.) will be handled in a special way. There are people who want to open their houses for solidarity accomodation.
Yes, Caferaga Sports Hall is a place in the Asian side of Istanbul, in Kadikoy province, it is not close to the venue. It is an option to be held for 'misfortune' (rain, etc.) as I mentioned before. Anyhow, if the accomodation shall be in Kadikoy, we will arrange collective transport from Kadikoy to the Forum Venue in the morning and night. (This is arranged with the municipality of Kadikoy).

With solidarity,
Alp

> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:47:42 +0400
> From: gotlib at ns.nonel.pu.ru
> To: esfaccomodation at gmail.com; farabundo_marti at hotmail.com; eyupozer at gmail.com; turkanuzun at yahoo.com; simya at superonline.com; gokhanbicici at tarem.or

> Subject: ESF accommodation - requests/questions
> 
> 
> Dear comrades,
> 
> I've just re
 ad the following message from you in the FSE-ESF list:
> 
> ** Dear friends,
> ** The solidarity accomodation will be organized in Macka Parque (tents)
> ** and Caferaga Sports Hall (Kadikoy) is also held in case of any

> ** misfortune (rain, etc.).
> ** The Parque is very near to the Forum venue.
> ** Everyone is kindly requested to bring sleeping bags and tents to
> ** the area, to facilitate the accomodation.
> ** However, please don't worry, those who don't have tents or sleeping

> ** bags will be provided with these means.
> ** With solidarity,
> ** Alp
> 
> However, we sent you a few days ago a request for solidarity
> accomodation for 5 comrades, meaning accommodation in apartments

> (cited below). At least one of them, Iosif Abramson, is 82 years old
> and certainly cannot go to the sports hall or to a tent.
> 
> You give only addresses of the tent camp a
 nd the sports hall.
> Does this mean that accommodation in activists' apartments
> will not be organized, and we must search for a hotel place
> for those who cannot go to tents or the sports hall due to

> their age and/or health, or some apartment accommodation
> is still possible?
> 
> Another thing - concerning the sports hall. PLEASE give,
> not only to us but also to all those interested, in the FSE-ESF list,

> the address and the map, and the information - how to get there from
> the airports and from the places where the Forum will be held.
> As far as I can understand, the sports hall is in Kadikoy,
> quite far from other locations mentioned above

> (http://www.mekanist.net/mekanlar/caferaga-spor-salonu/harita -
> it's the correct place, isn't it?). An additional dificulty

> is that Google maps, when asked about the "Caferaga Sports Hall",
> gives information about a diffe
 rent place, not in Kadikoy but
> in Yedikule (Abdi Ipekci Arena)!
> 
> Comradely,
> 
>      Igor Gotlib.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010, Igor Gotlib wrote:
> 

> >
> > Dear comrades,
> >
> > A group of ESF participants from Russia needs a solidarity
> > accommodation in Istanbul:
> >
> > 1. Iosif Abramson (82 years old)

> > 2. Gulnara Aitova
> > 3. Alexander Buzgalin
> > 4. Elena Potekhina
> > 5. Tamara Smirnova
> >
> > Most of people from Russia are ready to stay in a place of mass
> > acommodation like a sports hall - is a special request needed

> > for that?
> >
> > And, certanly, it is necessary for us to know the venue addresses,
> > especially for those who come to Istanbul during the night
> > (at least one person, Elena Potekhina, arrives by
  flight that
> > lands at 1:05 in the night on July 1).
> >
> > With comradely greetings,
> >
> >      Igor Gotlib.
> >
> >
> >

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