[fse-esf] Fw: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion]
CEE Enlargement Working Group
Simó Endre
drsimoendre at freemail.hu
Fri Feb 29 14:02:28 CET 2008
Nobody has empowered anybody to use common lists in order to devide the ESF members. Special situation and specifities of Eastern Europe do not mean opposition between social movements of EAST and WEST. Any eastern list cannot used in opposition with our friends from Western Europe, and deviding us, eastern europeans too, because we are engaged in the same process of the ESF and the WSF. ESFEAST list is a tool of this common fight with special ragards to East. Any list can be used for other purposes in the frame of ESF, including CEESF list which we are not part.
Situation has to be cleared and resolved in Kiev. Until Kiev we will use FSE-ESF list and the NOC given mailing addresses, I propose the same to my Friends in order to avoid misunderstandings and exclusions in this unpleasant situation generated by some irresponsible people.
Endre
Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta:
> Dear Mr Simo, Firstly, I have nothing to do with the ESFEAST list, so PLEASE STOP BLAMING ME! The ESFEAST list is for Eastern Europeans participating in the ESF process. This list is managed by Mathieu Lutfy, Bulgarian citizen from the Internet Rights Bulgaria Foundation. He was authorized to handle this list by the Enlargement WG meeting during the Istanbul EPA held between 14th and 16th April 2004, where you Mr Simo also took part.Hereunder is the summary of that meeting: Quote European working group "Enlargement to the CEEC" The meeting of the European working group "Enlargement to the CEEC was held at the initiative of the old II ESF 2003 Working Group "Enlargement to the East", on the basis of the balance-sheet and proposals after the Paris Saint-Denis II European Social Forum (ESF) (8-pages document distributed previously in English, French and Polish on the different electronic lists) and the letter of April 7 to the Istanbul Social Forum, the UK Organising Committee and the ESFEAST List. Christina Haralanova and Mathieu Lutfy from the Internet Rights Bulgaria were present at this meeting. Discussed topics:
> Setting up of the European Working Group "Enlargement to the CEEC", together with the opening and enlargment of the existing electronic list ESFEAST
> Solidarity Fund
> Problem raised by Hungarian activists Setting up of the European Working Group "Enlargment to the CEEC" [1] It was a consensus to say that the old "Eastern European Program Coordination" - formed in May 2002 at the European Preparing Assembly (EPA) in Viena and led mainly by Endre Simo - belongs to the past and has no reason to continue its existence. It was set up in 2002 as a first step to help the process of Enlargement to the CEEC in the preparation of the I ESF 2002 in Florence. After Florence, it was maintained and worked together with the II ESF 2003 Working Group "Enlargment to the East" and different national ESF coordination committees (in Poland, Hungary and Russia) and networks in other CEEC. In order to prepare the III ESF in London, the Enlargment to the CEEC has to be developed from now as a fully European process, involving movements and networks from all the CEEC and also from some Western countries. It was one of the main proposals of the II ESF 2003 Working Group balance-sheet. For this reason, it was also a consensus to say that it was necessary: to set an European Working Group "Enlargment to the CEEC", an open space as all other ESF spaces, activities and preparatory processes, but at the same time being a relly operating working group, with a restreint number of people as indicated below, with the function of helping and co-ordinating the preparation of the next European Preparatory Assemblies and the III ESF in London from the point of view of the participation of the social movements from the CEEC; as in case of other ESF European Working Groups (Program and Practicalities/Organisation), it is a space with the purpose only to help in the preparation of the ESF and not a decisionary structure; all final decisions will be taken by the European Preparatory Assemblies; and, simultaneously, to open more and enlarge the existing ESFEAST electronic list to as many as possible trade unions, movements, networks and associations in all the CEEC, in order to associate them to the ESF process ; the European Working Group "Enlargment to the CEEC" will distribute on the large ESFEAST electronic list all its proposals, decisions, discussed documents, important documents from other ESF networks; in other words, it will work in a transparent, open way; all subscribers to the large ESFEAST electronic list can of course express their opinions, proposals and critics â013 on the large list but also directly to the European Working Group; at each EPA (the next in Berlin 17-20 of June), the European Working Group will held an open meeting; between two EPAs, it will communicate and work on its own electronical list. The first steps agreed were: a) setting-up of an electronic list of this new EWG; Christina and Mathieu proposed their experience and their organisation Internet Rights Bulgaria (networking bulgarian NGOs, www.ngo-bg.org, www.socialrights.org) to do it and administrate it as webmasters or moderators; the list has been already set-up; its adress is esf-ceec-wg @ ngo-bg.org ; b) Christina and Mathieu would become also webmasters of the large ESFEAST list (administrated up to that time by two Hungarian activists) ; in order to actualise this list, they will soon send this list to all subscribers asking for confirmation or unsuscribing, together with a short presentation of the activist and of the movements he/she represents (we still donâ019t know very well each other, new networks are joining); the old ESFEAST yahoo list will function still some weeks until the setting-up of the new list; the working group email discussion list will be open and its existence mentioned on the ESFEAST large list so the people who want to join the WG discussions could do it ; c) Christina and Mathieu would get in touch with the RAS internet social network, which supports many of the ESF and other social european electronic lists since Florence and Paris Saint-Denis, in order to benefit from the experience of those (and other) social networks and co-operate with them; the existence of other lists should be mentioned on both EWG and ESFEAST large lists to make it easier for people to join other discussions and reduce the necessity of forwarding FSE-ESF list mails. d) start the preparation of the next Berlin EPA end of June, ie. a huge plenary meeting of the EWG with the participation of as many CEEC and movements as possible; e) discuss on electronic lists the topics for which it was no enough time in Istanbul. ( summary of the Report written by Stefan Beker
> Footnotes: [1] CEEC : Central and Eastern European Countries. Unquote Mathieu Lutfy's e-mail mathieu at ngo-bg.org, website: http://www.irbf.ngo-bg.org/article38.html
> Information and Communication Technologies
> Mathieuâ019s experience with Free Software and the community oriented him towards networking - not only technical, but also social - where Free Software could be used efficiently to help organisations communicate on large scales with a minimum of ressources. Has has a BA in Computer Science. Secondly, CEESF list was established by the participants of the preparatory meeting of the Central and Eastern European Social Forum Initiative and the Conciousness (ESZMELET) Conference, held in Budapest between 14th and 16th October 2005. Moderator of the CEESF list is Marcell Tanay. Please address any complaint/request to him.E-mail : tanay.marcell at chello.hu Preparatory meeting of CEESF was held for the following reasons: Quote The peoples of Central and Eeastern Europe have not received either what they expected from the system change or what hey were promised. These dissapointments and the specificities of the region stimulated the original initiators of the CEESF to make a proposal to organize a regional social forum. We came to the conclusion that while the previous European Social Forums (Florence-2002, Paris-2003, London-2004) provided opportunities for tens of thousands of people opposing the destructive consequences of globalisation to participate in debates, to look for alternatives as well as to organize common actions and in order to strenghten the movement to build networks on regional, continental and global level, in the meantime - for financial and other reasons - only rather few people could be involved in the social forum process. In our region the nationalisms stirred up by the élite try to turn the peoples of similar fate against each other. Such a forum could demonstrate clearly that the peoples of the region refuse the policy of â01Edivide and ruleâ01D and take their common fate consciously. They are aware that their condition can be improved by international collaboration. The specific development of the Central and Eastern European countries, the grave social consequences of the globalization experienced in the last one and a half decades (e.g. the dramatic rise of poverty and umenployment, the dissemination of extreme right ideas, the support of the Iraqi war against the will of the majority of the peoples, the food secutity scandals, etc.) make it necessary that the relatively weak social movements of this part of Europe join forces, analyse the situation, elaborate alternatives, establish effective networks and realize closer cooperation. At the same time we deem it absolutely necessary to strenghten our relations with the developing countries facing more or less similar situation. Unquote More information is available at the website http://www.mszf.hu/ Regards, Matyas Benyik ----- Original Message ----- From: Simó Endre To: Benyik Matyas Cc: ceesf at yahoogroups.com ; ESF Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:06 AMSubject: Re: [fse-esf] Fw: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
> Excuse me,
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> Who is Mathieu Lutfy?
> Who and when did empower him to moderate anything? (We certainly did not.)
> Why this people did not answer to our request, when we put the question: who is the "moderator" of the ESFEAST list?
> Why the addresses requested by Hannelore have been not added into the ESFEAST list?
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> Yes, Mr. Benyik, this is a problem of trusting for all of us, beeing the esfeast list the common information and mailing list of all the eastern europeans and not only.
> It is uneccaptable to transform it in a private enterprise, without a collective decision of all of us regarding the moderator and the functioning.
> That is one of the problem we have to resolve in Kiev. In this situation of confusion due to the irresponsability of Mr. Benyik, I suggest to use the official ESF list for the co-ordination as the only one where all people are included. (I call your attention, that the Hungarian Social Forum-Social Roundtable, I represent, is not included in the private CEESF mailing list of Mr. Benyik.)
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> Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta:
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: Benyik Matyas To: ESF ; esfeast at yahoogroups.com Cc: alternativy at tochka.ru ; carlakrueger at freenet.de ; nicu_bazga at yahoo.com ; TSF Ofis ; Skuc-LL ; Gunta Berzina ; Franci Zlatar - Slovenska filantropija ; Dusana Findeisen ; Dariusz Zalega ; alla.glinchikova at gmail.com ; Genoveva Tisheva ; Tania Tisheva ; Volodymyr Sadnytskyy ; Tord Bj ö rk ; Liva Sprava ; ceesf at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:28 PMSubject: Re: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
> Dear All, Endre Simo is trying again to make confusion and mass up the things. Of course, is up to anybody to start a new list or even any project and join the group or - like Simo - can leave the group any time. I am rejecting this type of behaviour of Simo.This list is for the coordination of the CEE participation in the Malmö ESF. This list is needed also for making common proposals on seminars, speakers, etc., so Vlodymyr Sadnytsky started a project on the openesf website, too. Please visit the East Europe EPA Network. Simo is wrong regarding ESFEAST list, because that list is handled/moderated by Mathieu Lutfy not by Marcell Tanay, Atttac Hungary. I am protesting against the tone of Simo's e-mail, saying "A really common mailing list must be ownered by serious people,.."This is again a proof of personal offence, which is untolerable in the ESF. Hoping other list members will also express their opinion about this above matter. Regards, Matyas Benyik ----- Original Message ----- From: Simó Endre To: esfeast at yahoogroups.com Cc: ceesf at yahoogroups.com ; Liva Sprava ; Tord Bj ö rk ; Volodymyr Sadnytskyy ; Tania Tisheva ; Genoveva Tisheva ; alla.glinchikova at gmail.com ; Dariusz Zalega ; Dusana Findeisen ; Franci Zlatar - Slovenska filantropija ; Gunta Berzina ; Skuc-LL ; TSF Ofis ; nicu_bazga at yahoo.com ; carlakrueger at freenet.de ; alternativy at tochka.ru Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:47 PMSubject: Re: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
> Excuse me, but there is something wrong in this proposal:
> 1. Who did decide in Berlin to start a new mailing list?
> 2. Who did decide in Berlin to give the name Central Eastern European Initiative to this mailing list?
> 3. Who did decide in Berlin who would be the owner of such a list?
> 4. Who did decide in Berlin to cease the existing all East European list, the EAFEAST?
> 5. Why the owner of the ESFEAST list - Mr. Tanay Marcell, Attac, Hungary - does not comply his assumed tasks concerning the esfeast list? (eg. by adding the proposed new addresses on it.)
> 6. Why should we risk the same situation with a new list, that is occuring with the old one, also ownered by Attac Hungary?
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> A really common mailing list must be ownered by serious people, with sense of responsibility for the list members and for all the ESF. So I propose to come back to the problem in Kiev EPA, and take a common decision about with the double key solution, allowing a permanent double control over the functioning of the common list. Up to Kiev we must follow with the existing ESFEAST list. I invite Mr. Tanay and Attac Hungary to guarantee the normal functioning of the list and include also the new people proposed by Hennelore Tölke.
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> Thanks, Endre Simó
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> Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matyas BENYIK" <mbenyik at freemail.hu>
> To: <east-europe-epa-network-discussion at lists.openesf.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:52 AM
> Subject: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
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> At the ESF EPA in Berlin a CEE Enlargement Working Group were
> created on 23rd February 2008.
> Minutes of the meeting written by Mirek Prokes is in attachment .
> Members who were present at the open Working Group meeting are as follows:
> Tord Björk (Nordic Organising Committee, NOC + Attac SE), Anna Popovych
> (Ukrainian SF), Pavel Klimenko (USF + Byelorussian SF), Peter Damo (Romanian
> SF), Matyas Benyik (Hungarian SF), Endre Simo (HSF CWG), Vasyl Tereshchuk
> (SF Ukraine), Sergey Ukrainets (Ukr. Trade Union Confed.), Andreas
> Beldovskiy (Attac DE), Anette Groth (Attac DE), Yildiz Onen (SF in Turkey),
> Boris Kagarlitskiy (Inst. for Global. Studies + Russian SF), Herrmann
> Dworczak (Austrian SF(, Laura Tuominen (Finnish SF + NOC), Mirek Prokes
> (Initiative for SF/Czechia + UNITED for Intercultural Action + IFN)
> Others interested in the CEE Enlargement WG activity:
> alternativy at tochka.ru
> carlakrueger at freenet.de
> nicu_bazga at yahoo.com
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> Best friendly regards
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> Matyas Benyik
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