[fse-esf] Fw: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group

Fri Feb 29 09:40:54 CET 2008

Dear friends,

My proposal is to solve this topic in Kiev. Finding a solution via mailing list seems to be difficult.
Concerning my request I can manage the exchange of information until Kiev.

Best wishes
Hannelore Tölke

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> Datum: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:06:38 +0100 (CET)
> Von: "Simó Endre" <drsimoendre at freemail.hu>
> An: Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu>
> CC: ESF <fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>, ceesf at yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [fse-esf] Fw: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion]	CEE Enlargement Working Group

> Excuse me,
> 
> Who is Mathieu Lutfy?
> Who and when did empower him to moderate anything? (We certainly did not.)
> Why this people did not answer to our request,  when we put the question:
> who is the "moderator" of the ESFEAST list?
> Why the addresses requested by Hannelore have been not added into the
> ESFEAST list?
> 
> Yes, Mr. Benyik, this is a problem of trusting for all of us, beeing the
> esfeast list the common information and mailing list of all the eastern
> europeans and not only.
> It is uneccaptable to transform it in a private enterprise, without a
> collective decision of all of us regarding the moderator and the functioning.
> That is one of the problem we have to resolve in Kiev. In this situation
> of confusion due to the irresponsability of Mr. Benyik, I suggest to use the
> official ESF list for the co-ordination as the only one where all people
> are included. (I call your attention, that the Hungarian Social Forum-Social
> Roundtable, I represent, is not included in the private CEESF mailing list
> of Mr. Benyik.)
> 
> 
>                Endre Simó
> 
> 
> 
> Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >  ----- Original Message ----- From: Benyik Matyas To: ESF ;
> esfeast at yahoogroups.com Cc: alternativy at tochka.ru ; carlakrueger at freenet.de ;
> nicu_bazga at yahoo.com ; TSF Ofis ; Skuc-LL ; Gunta Berzina ; Franci Zlatar -
> Slovenska filantropija ; Dusana Findeisen ; Dariusz Zalega ;
> alla.glinchikova at gmail.com ; Genoveva Tisheva ; Tania Tisheva ; Volodymyr Sadnytskyy ; Tord Bj ö
> rk ; Liva Sprava ; ceesf at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008
> 3:28 PMSubject: Re: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE
> Enlargement Working Group
> > Dear All, Endre Simo is trying again to make confusion and mass up the
> things. Of course, is up to anybody to start a new list or even any project
> and join the group or - like Simo - can leave the group any time. I am
> rejecting this type of  behaviour of Simo.This list is for the coordination of
> the CEE participation in the Malmö ESF. This list is needed also for
> making common proposals on seminars, speakers, etc., so Vlodymyr Sadnytsky 
> started a project on the openesf website, too. Please visit the East Europe EPA
> Network. Simo is wrong regarding ESFEAST list, because that list is
> handled/moderated by Mathieu Lutfy not by Marcell Tanay, Atttac Hungary. I am
> protesting against the tone of Simo's e-mail, saying "A really common mailing
> list must be ownered by serious people,.."This is again a proof of personal
> offence, which is untolerable in the ESF. Hoping other list members will
> also express their opinion about this above matter. Regards, Matyas Benyik  
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: Simó Endre To:
> esfeast at yahoogroups.com Cc: ceesf at yahoogroups.com ; Liva Sprava ; Tord Bj ö rk ; Volodymyr
> Sadnytskyy ; Tania Tisheva ; Genoveva Tisheva ; alla.glinchikova at gmail.com ;
> Dariusz Zalega ; Dusana Findeisen ; Franci Zlatar - Slovenska filantropija ;
> Gunta Berzina ; Skuc-LL ; TSF Ofis ; nicu_bazga at yahoo.com ;
> carlakrueger at freenet.de ; alternativy at tochka.ru Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:47
> PMSubject: Re: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE
> Enlargement Working Group
> > Excuse me, but there is something wrong in this proposal:
> > 1. Who did decide in Berlin to start a new mailing list?
> > 2. Who did decide in Berlin to give the name Central Eastern European
> Initiative to this mailing list?
> > 3. Who did decide in Berlin who would be the owner of  such a list?
> > 4. Who did decide in Berlin to cease the existing all East European
> list, the EAFEAST?
> > 5. Why the owner of the ESFEAST list - Mr. Tanay Marcell, Attac, Hungary
> - does not comply his assumed tasks concerning the esfeast list? (eg. by
> adding the proposed new addresses on it.)
> > 6. Why should we risk the same situation with a new list, that is
> occuring with the old one, also ownered by Attac Hungary?
> > 
> > A really common mailing list must be ownered by serious people, with
> sense of responsibility for the list  members and for all the ESF. So I
> propose to come back to the problem in Kiev EPA, and take a common decision about
> with the double key solution, allowing a permanent double control over the
> functioning of the common list. Up to Kiev we must follow with the
> existing ESFEAST list. I invite Mr. Tanay and Attac Hungary to guarantee the
> normal functioning of the list and include also the new people proposed by
> Hennelore Tölke.
> > 
> > Thanks,     Endre Simó
> > 
> > 
> > Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Matyas BENYIK" <mbenyik at freemail.hu>
> > To: <east-europe-epa-network-discussion at lists.openesf.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:52 AM
> > Subject: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working
> Group
> > 
> > At the ESF EPA in Berlin a CEE Enlargement Working Group were
> > created on 23rd February 2008.
> > Minutes of the meeting written by Mirek Prokes is in attachment .
> > Members who were present at the open Working Group meeting are as
> follows:
> > Tord Björk (Nordic Organising Committee, NOC + Attac SE), Anna Popovych
> > (Ukrainian SF), Pavel Klimenko (USF + Byelorussian SF), Peter Damo
> (Romanian 
> > SF), Matyas Benyik (Hungarian SF), Endre Simo (HSF CWG), Vasyl
> Tereshchuk 
> > (SF Ukraine), Sergey Ukrainets (Ukr. Trade Union Confed.), Andreas 
> > Beldovskiy (Attac DE), Anette Groth (Attac DE), Yildiz Onen (SF in
> Turkey), 
> > Boris Kagarlitskiy (Inst. for Global. Studies + Russian SF), Herrmann 
> > Dworczak (Austrian SF(, Laura Tuominen (Finnish SF + NOC), Mirek Prokes 
> > (Initiative for SF/Czechia + UNITED for Intercultural Action + IFN)
> > Others interested in the CEE Enlargement WG activity:
> > alternativy at tochka.ru
> > carlakrueger at freenet.de
> > nicu_bazga at yahoo.com
> > 
> > Best friendly regards
> > 
> > Matyas Benyik
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