[fse-esf] Fw: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group

[Simó Endre]

Excuse me,

Who is Mathieu Lutfy?
Who and when did empower him to moderate anything? (We certainly did not.)
Why this people did not answer to our request,  when we put the question: who is the "moderator" of the ESFEAST list?
Why the addresses requested by Hannelore have been not added into the ESFEAST list?

Yes, Mr. Benyik, this is a problem of trusting for all of us, beeing the esfeast list the common information and mailing list of all the eastern europeans and not only.
It is uneccaptable to transform it in a private enterprise, without a collective decision of all of us regarding the moderator and the functioning.
That is one of the problem we have to resolve in Kiev. In this situation of confusion due to the irresponsability of Mr. Benyik, I suggest to use the official ESF list for the co-ordination as the only one where all people are included. (I call your attention, that the Hungarian Social Forum-Social Roundtable, I represent, is not included in the private CEESF mailing list of Mr. Benyik.)


               Endre Simó



Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta: 




>  ----- Original Message ----- From: Benyik Matyas To: ESF ; esfeast at yahoogroups.com Cc: alternativy at tochka.ru ; carlakrueger at freenet.de ; nicu_bazga at yahoo.com ; TSF Ofis ; Skuc-LL ; Gunta Berzina ; Franci Zlatar - Slovenska filantropija ; Dusana Findeisen ; Dariusz Zalega ; alla.glinchikova at gmail.com ; Genoveva Tisheva ; Tania Tisheva ; Volodymyr Sadnytskyy ; Tord Bj ö rk ; Liva Sprava ; ceesf at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:28 PMSubject: Re: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
> Dear All, Endre Simo is trying again to make confusion and mass up the things. Of course, is up to anybody to start a new list or even any project and join the group or - like Simo - can leave the group any time. I am rejecting this type of  behaviour of Simo.This list is for the coordination of the CEE participation in the Malmö ESF. This list is needed also for making common proposals on seminars, speakers, etc., so Vlodymyr Sadnytsky  started a project on the openesf website, too. Please visit the East Europe EPA Network. Simo is wrong regarding ESFEAST list, because that list is handled/moderated by Mathieu Lutfy not by Marcell Tanay, Atttac Hungary. I am protesting against the tone of Simo's e-mail, saying "A really common mailing list must be ownered by serious people,.."This is again a proof of personal offence, which is untolerable in the ESF. Hoping other list members will also express their opinion about this above matter. Regards, Matyas Benyik    ----- Original Message ----- From: Simó Endre To: esfeast at yahoogroups.com Cc: ceesf at yahoogroups.com ; Liva Sprava ; Tord Bj ö rk ; Volodymyr Sadnytskyy ; Tania Tisheva ; Genoveva Tisheva ; alla.glinchikova at gmail.com ; Dariusz Zalega ; Dusana Findeisen ; Franci Zlatar - Slovenska filantropija ; Gunta Berzina ; Skuc-LL ; TSF Ofis ; nicu_bazga at yahoo.com ; carlakrueger at freenet.de ; alternativy at tochka.ru Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:47 PMSubject: Re: [esfeast] Fw: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
> Excuse me, but there is something wrong in this proposal:
> 1. Who did decide in Berlin to start a new mailing list?
> 2. Who did decide in Berlin to give the name Central Eastern European Initiative to this mailing list?
> 3. Who did decide in Berlin who would be the owner of  such a list?
> 4. Who did decide in Berlin to cease the existing all East European list, the EAFEAST?
> 5. Why the owner of the ESFEAST list - Mr. Tanay Marcell, Attac, Hungary - does not comply his assumed tasks concerning the esfeast list? (eg. by adding the proposed new addresses on it.)
> 6. Why should we risk the same situation with a new list, that is occuring with the old one, also ownered by Attac Hungary?
> 
> A really common mailing list must be ownered by serious people, with sense of responsibility for the list  members and for all the ESF. So I propose to come back to the problem in Kiev EPA, and take a common decision about with the double key solution, allowing a permanent double control over the functioning of the common list. Up to Kiev we must follow with the existing ESFEAST list. I invite Mr. Tanay and Attac Hungary to guarantee the normal functioning of the list and include also the new people proposed by Hennelore Tölke.
> 
> Thanks,     Endre Simó
> 
> 
> Benyik Matyas <mbenyik at freemail.hu> írta: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matyas BENYIK" <mbenyik at freemail.hu>
> To: <east-europe-epa-network-discussion at lists.openesf.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:52 AM
> Subject: [East Europe EPA Network discussion] CEE Enlargement Working Group
> 
> At the ESF EPA in Berlin a CEE Enlargement Working Group were
> created on 23rd February 2008.
> Minutes of the meeting written by Mirek Prokes is in attachment .
> Members who were present at the open Working Group meeting are as follows:
> Tord Björk (Nordic Organising Committee, NOC + Attac SE), Anna Popovych 
> (Ukrainian SF), Pavel Klimenko (USF + Byelorussian SF), Peter Damo (Romanian 
> SF), Matyas Benyik (Hungarian SF), Endre Simo (HSF CWG), Vasyl Tereshchuk 
> (SF Ukraine), Sergey Ukrainets (Ukr. Trade Union Confed.), Andreas 
> Beldovskiy (Attac DE), Anette Groth (Attac DE), Yildiz Onen (SF in Turkey), 
> Boris Kagarlitskiy (Inst. for Global. Studies + Russian SF), Herrmann 
> Dworczak (Austrian SF(, Laura Tuominen (Finnish SF + NOC), Mirek Prokes 
> (Initiative for SF/Czechia + UNITED for Intercultural Action + IFN)
> Others interested in the CEE Enlargement WG activity:
> alternativy at tochka.ru
> carlakrueger at freenet.de
> nicu_bazga at yahoo.com
> 
> Best friendly regards
> 
> Matyas Benyik
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