[fse-esf] Re: [fse-es) Appeal on Osetia.

[ovibos at t-online.de]

 Dear Alla,

I understand that you are urging everybody to take action. The first
thing is to fight the US/EU/NATO propaganda in all European countries
and I can assure you that the sections of the Ligue for the Fifth
International are doing so, as you noticed we produced a statement
quickly.
There is also a interesting statement of the Georgian Peace Committee
being send around in Germany, that openly calls for the overthrow of
Sakashwili.
But Simo Endres idea of sending a delegation to the EU asking for a
"Collective Security System" in Europe would be a step completly wrong.
This would be asking for a military-political roleof the EU, which most
of us have fought against in the last years and which was rejected in
the NO in France, Netherlands and Ireland.
When they talk of security, they mean securing natural resources, land
and influence. 
Simo might as well ask a fox and a wolf to form Vegetarian Collective.
But this would only be naive, whereas his proposal is dangerous: it
gives credit to the Russian Governement as well as to the EU, all of
them being involved in occupation, war and slaughter from Sudan, Kongo,
Somalia to Irak, Afghanistan or Chechnia.
I would propose to make the Ossetian War an issue in the european-wide
Anti-Nato Campaign, that is planned for the next half year celebrating
the 60 year anniversary of the NATO. This should be an issue for the
ESF.

solidarity
matz


 "alla glinchikova" <aglinchikova at yandex.ru> schrieb: 
Dear friends,
        I think it is very important to understand, that the conflict in
Osetia is the conflict, which takes place in Europe, that Eastern Europe
again ( after Yugoslavia) was used by the United states to destabilize
the situation in our region. And there is also our common fault and our
own responsibility to confront this practice of hunting European nations
and to launch the fire in our region to help dollar to rise.
       We, people of good will of common Europe should ask ourselves,
what we did to prevent the catastrophe? We also should ask, what is the
real cause of  catastrophe and what should we do to prevent it?
       When modern neoliberal fascist explain you, that the cause of
these catastrophe in Europe is the existence of Russian people in the
world and only physical extermination of Russian people, surrounding
them with military bases, throwing them out of international
organizations, claiming them as uncivilized monsters can give the 
final
solution
 of all European and world problems dont trust them.
     Russian people are not angels, but who is angel? Americans, French,
Italians,& ? Who can say, we are better then you as human beings and
that is why we deserve to live and you deserve to die? This is the way
abyss.
     But why precisely  Eastern Europe is constantly used by US
political clique to launch European fire? (And I assure you, that it
would be used again and again, if we do not take measures here.) East
European countries, which came out of so called 
socialist
 regimes have
very weak societies, which can not control their governments. And it is
not simply because of authoritarian character of previous regimes, but
also because this regime used state to provide social issues and purely
substituted society in social activity. These societies got used to get
support, care and protection from state and were not allowed to develop
its internal integrity and social sovereignty. They could be more or
less strong to fight against other states, but absolutely unprotected
from their own.  As long as socialist was ideology was strong and
popular, it compelled such state to take care of people to some extent,
at least within its frames.  But the corruption of socialist and
communist ideology in the eyes of people contributed tremendously to
changing communist bureaucracy ( constrained more or less with

socialist
 ideology) into neoliberal bureaucracy ( without any moral
and social constrains). That was the initial phase of transformation. 
The change of nature of states in East European countries happened
rapidly as well as the economic privatization of common wealth. 
Together with privatization there were declared all democratic  forms (
parliaments, multy party systems, representative democracy, social
movements). But the societies remained disintegrated and very
paternalistic in their way of life and political behavior. Because
political culture of people could not change as rapidly as the property
systems and nature of bureaucracy. The result  modern East European
countries ( with some not so important in this sense difference) have
governments formally democratically elected by societies, which can not
control these governments  in reality.
    This situation creates  unprecedented opportunities for those forces
who would like to use the leaders of these countries for their own
destructive purposes.  This situation creates ideal ground for hunting
people and nations of these states not only because these nations are
civilly disintegrated and cannot resist antinational politics of their
governments, but also because these nations are not wealthy, they dont
have good economic position and very easily 
swallow
 nationalist and
even fascists slogans, that are usually used to  
warm
  their
self-identification spirit. They move not in the direction of civil, but
in the direction of nationalist and even racist self-identification.  I
want to stress, that racist self-identification can not be justified
with the size of nation. Fascism is fascism and racism is racism no
matter big or small is nation, which proclaims it.  And now in Osetia we
see that racism of small nation ( Georgia) can become very dangerous,
when it becomes the instrument of cynical neoliberal Global clique. We
see now, that after defeat of attempt to exterminate Osetians it appeals
to all Europe to arrange the World war for extermination of Russian
people.
       What shall we do? I am Russian, but I want to say, that I know,
that this fascist ideology has nothing to do with our Georgian brothers,
who , I am sure feel the same as we. I also want to say it about
Ukranians, and other East Europeans. I know they dont want American
radars on their territories, they dont want to kill Russians and they
dont trust that Russians would kill them. But we are disintegrated, we
are separated.  I dont even speak, that we are separated from western
people.  And my question, what was done to break this tendency by all of
us? Was it estimated as high priority not in words, but in actions?  Is
there a strategy of developing of civil diplomacy to enhance civil trust
in Eastern Europe? 
     I think usual formal resolutions cannot substitute consequent and
persistent strategy and politics of European left towards prevailing
development and establishment of all European  civil peoples solidarity.
I am not lower, I am historian . So, I cannot suggest concrete forms and
steps, how it could be. But e have many specialists in different
political and cultural areas within ESF. Lets create such strategy of
civil solidarity and integration in Eastern Europe to prevent
involvement of its peoples into bloody conflicts.
   I want to support the considerations of Enfre Simo from Hungarian
Social Forum, who was the only one, who responded to my appeal to
discuss this issue, when we were really at the eve of terrible all
European confrontation. And I hope that this initiative would have
support and consideration.
In solidarity,
Alla Glinchikova
    


11.08.08, 21:11, "Simó Endre" <drsimoendre at freemail.hu>:




Dear Friends,

Some reflexions about the conflict in South Ossetia:

Western powers have to take note of the fact, that american backed
Sakashvilliâ019s military step to oblige South Ossetia to the
territorial integration into Georgia has failed.
South Ossetia has the right to decide freely between self-determination
or integration into an other state.
There are not only western interests, there exist also russian
interests.
Soviet Union has collapsed, but Russia continue representing an
important counterbalance vis a vis of the expansion of the NATO towards
East and the Caucasus. 
Instead of the unilateralism of the US defense system represented by the
NATO a new european collectif system of defense is needed with the
inclusion of Russia and the former soviet republics, in order to grant
collectively peace and security in Europe.
The projected anti-ballistic missile system in Poland, Czekia and
Hungary (radar), the inclusion into the NATO of the baltic states, the
project to do the same with Georgia cannot be considered as steps toward
the strenghtening of the self-determination of the peoples, but - on the
contrary - their use against other peoples.
Human rights and democracy in Russia, in China and in other eastern
countries cannot be assured by missiles and by denying their national
interests, but only by peaceful co-operation and total respect of the
sovreignty of those peoples.

                                        Endre Simó, Hungarian Social
Forum organizer
11 August 2008






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