[fse-esf] Re: Patience, not intolerence!

[Simó Endre]

Dear Piero,

   The final declaration of the Movements in Athens has been 
formulated also with my personal participation and our agreement, as 
Hungarian Social Forum cwg. So I know it quite well. We have all 
demanded the total withdrawal of the foreign troops of occupation from 
Iraq and Afghanistan, but we did'nt say, that we were against 
decisions, as the italian government's one, partial it could be, directed 
to the complete desengagement from Iraq. Why should we reject such 
an essential political initiative, helping the isolation of Bush and Blair 
military policy? It is the first time since the beginning of the war on Iraq 
and Berlusconi's decisio to participate at it, that an italian government 
openly declare: "The war in Iraq is a serious mistake" (Word of italian 
foreign minister, Massimo D'Alema, pronounced on 27th May 2006.) 
Fact is, that this important political changement in the italian policy was 
taken not by Berlusconi, but by Prodi's center-left coalition. And Tony 
Blair will be obliged to swallaw this bitter pill in Rome. He must realize 
that "the opposition and resistance to the war and occupation of Iraq 
have exposed the British and US strategy as a failure" - as we have 
written in the declaration of the Assembly of the Movements. In 
conclusion, my opinion is, that we have to push for the total withdrawal 
of the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, without rejecting passes and 
mesures going in that sense. The partial withdrawal of the italian 
troops from Iraq is going in that sense! We have to fight for the total 
withdrawal with patience and perseverence, not with intolerence! vis a 
vis of correct and positive decisions. Only by acting so, we will acquire 
the sympathy of people who will not participate at your meeting around 
Castel Sant'Angelo, but at the National Day parade in Fori Imperiali 
with Napolitano, Prodi, Bertinotti, Marini and Blair as their guest.

     Endre 

piero bernocchi <pierobernocchi at libero.it> írta:

> You said well, Simo: "PARTIAL withdrawal" from Iraq, not "TOTAL 
withdrawal"
> as the italian center-left promised before the elections. And, as you 
know,
> Berlusconi too planned the "partial withdrawal" from Iraq in february 
2006.
> In addition, Prodi's government wants to let ALL italian troops in
> Afghanistan: and, as you know, in Afghanistan there is a terrible and
> imperialist Usa's war as in Iraq. The italian troops lead this war. We 
say
> "ALL the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan". Don't you remember 
that we
> decided, as Assembly of Social Movements, in Athenes exactly that? 
We didn't
> say in Athenes "A PART of troops out of Iraq but ALL the troops can 
remain
> in Afghanistan", did we? And last but not least, Prodi decided not to 
cancel
> the military parade in Rome the 2th of june (and Bertinotti decided to
> attend the obscene exhibition of instruments of death), with massive
> distruction weapons, and military brigades that are in Iraq and 
Afghanistan
> too; and, in addition, to invite in Rome in the same day Tony Blair that
> we - as COBAS - consider (exactly as the SWP does) "the second 
terrorist in
> the world" (after Bush). Do you ask us, maybe, to cheer and applaud 
Prodi
> and Bertinotti and to congratulate them on these incredible 
decisions? In
> this case, i'm obbliged to disappoint you. We will organise, with all the
> movement, a lot of demo in Italy, and above all the most important 
one in
> Rome (rally at Castel S.Angelo h.10), the 2th of june against the 
military
> parade and for the TOTAL withdrawal of the troops from Iraq, 
Afghanistan and
> all the other countries where the italian military forces are now.
> In solidarity, Piero Bernocchi   COBAS
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simó Endre" <drsimoendre at freemail.hu>
> To: "piero bernocchi" <pierobernocchi at libero.it>
> Cc: <global-peace-movement-info at lists.riseup.net>; <fse-esf at fse-
esf.org>;
> "Forum sociale europeo" <fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [fse-esf] Tony Blair in Rome - one moment please!
> 
> 
> Dear Piero,
> 
>    It was not Prodi, who has sent italian soldiers to Iraq. But it was 
the
> Prodi's government, that yesterday has announced the partial
> withdrawal of the italian troops from Iraq.
>    When the Hungarian National Assembly has decided not to continue
> with hungarian military assistance of the occupation of Iraq, the
> Hungarian Social Forum cwg has expressed agreement with the
> decision, and we have asked, that Hungary never more participate at
> any occupation of other countries and peoples.
> 
>     friendly,    Endre Simó
> 
> piero bernocchi <pierobernocchi at libero.it> írta:
> 
> > Dear all,
> >
> > i send you a declaration about the visit of Tony Blair in Rome, the 
2th
> of
> > June and about the Prodi's decisions about it, about the military
> parade in
> > Rome the same day and the maintain of the presence of italian
> troops in Iraq
> > and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the declaration is in italian. Dear
> friends
> > and comrades of Babel, please, could you translate into english?
> Thanks a
> > lot, in solidarity, Piero Bernocchi COBAS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PRODI PROVOCA IL MOVIMENTO NO-WAR
> >
> > NON VOGLIAMO BLAIR A ROMA
> >
> >
> >
> > In questi giorni abbiamo chiesto ripetutamente al governo Prodi di
> abolire l
> > 'oscena parata bellica del 2 giugno. Perché la festa della Repubblica
> deve
> > essere celebrata con armi di morte e reparti che sono truppe di
> occupazione
> > in Iraq e Afghanistan?  Perché non trasformarla in una festa di 
tutti/e,
> > eliminando la presenza militare? Nessuna risposta: la parata č stata
> > confermata. Abbiamo poi chiesto al neopresidente della Camera
> Bertinotti e
> > ai parlamentari che in questi anni sono stati/e nelle manifestazioni
> > anti-guerra di tenersi, almeno loro, ben lontani dalla parata. Perché
> > dovrebbero stare sul palco di una esibizione bellica che tutto il
> movimento
> > no-war rifiuta e contesterŕ? Nessuna risposta positiva.Abbiamo
> chiesto il
> > ritiro immediato e completo delle truppe non solo dall'Iraq ma anche
> dall'
> > Afghanistan: e ora apprendiamo che il governo lascerŕ le truppe non
> solo in
> > Afghanistan ma anche in Iraq, almeno 800 militari, e ritirerŕ gli altri
> > addirittura in autunno, persino peggio di quanto programmato da
> Berlusconi.
> > E in piů Prodi decide di provocare platealmente il movimento contro 
la
> > guerra: il 2 giugno non solo ci sarŕ la parata bellica, ma Prodi
> incontrerŕ
> > a Roma Tony Blair, il principale responsabile, insieme a Bush, della
> guerra
> > in Iraq, l'inventore della tragica favola sulle "armi di distruzione di
> > massa" con cui si č giustificata l'aggressione, il corresponsabile di
> > orrende stragi terroristiche come quella di Fallujah e tante altre.
> >
> > Prodi andrŕ a braccetto con i peggiori guerrafondai come Berlusconi?
> >
> >
> >
> > NON VOGLIAMO IL PIU' GRANDE TERRORISTA DEL MONDO (DOPO
> BUSH) A ROMA.
> >
> > VIA BLAIR DA ROMA, VIA LA PARATA MILITARE, VIA LE TRUPPE DA 
IRAQ
> E
> > AFGHANISTAN, TUTTE E SUBITO.
> >
> >
> >
> > Piero Bernocchi
> >
> > Confederazione  COBAS
> >
> >
> >
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