[fse-esf] miracles in Greece

[Judith Dellheim]

Yes, this "discussion" isn't acceptable. But it shows three points:

1. There was an european responsibility for the demonstration. We should use the EPA before Athens to discuss all problems concerning the demonstration. We didn't. This is our common omission, not a greek.

2. We must go back to the Charta of Porto Alegre. We didn't protect and use it.

3. The most important question about the future of the ESF is the question about political culture.

Judith Dellheim 


*Von:* nalachahal at aol.com
*Gesendet:* 10.05.06 18:54:33
*An:* fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org
*Betreff:* Re : [fse-esf] miracles in Greece

 dear allcan you people just stop this "discussion"!! its really inacceptable.nahla chahal 
-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Alex Callinicos <alex.callinicos at kcl.ac.uk>
A : Yannis Almpanis <yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com>; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org
Envoyé le : Mercredi 10 Mai 2006 16:31:26 +0100
Sujet : Re: [fse-esf] miracles in Greece

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Given that I saw you lead the attack on the anti-war contingent on Saturday, this is a subject on which you would have been well advised to keep silent. Why weren't you and your so-called 'safeguards' protecting the front of the demo from the police rather than punching women and knocking down people like Petros? 
 
 Best wishes, 
 Alex Callinicos 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yannis Almpanis" <yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com [mailto:yannisalmpanis%40hotmail.com]> 
To: <fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org [mailto:fse-esf%40lists.fse-esf.org]> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:08 PM 
Subject: [fse-esf] miracles in Greece 
 
> Petros Konstantinou was not one of the leading persons in the attack of > the SWP against the Greek Social Forum' sterwarts (their task was to take > the head of the demonstration and leave behind them the international > delegations). 
> 
> Just after the attack he made a speech on the stage of the ESF > demonstrat&#305;on Thousands of demonstrators and m&#305;&#305;l&#305;ons > of TV v&#305;ewers saw that he was not b&#305;tten. 
> 
> On Sunday, Petros cha&#305;red the Assembly of Movements and everybody > saw he had no s&#305;gns of v&#305;olence. 
> 
> Yesterday at 19:00, Petros gave an interview to the jouralist Andreas > Papadopoulos of the newspaper Avgi (this the newspaper of Synaspismos). He > also sent him an e mail with the press release of Genoa 2001. In the > interview Petros didn't say anything about hospital (the conversation is > recorded). The interview is published in today's edition of Avgi. 
> 
> Now (4 days after the incident) we learn that he is in hospital because > he was hurt in the Saturday's demonstration. 
> 
> There is no doubt that Greece is the country of miracles. 
> 
> Yannis Almpanis-Greek Social Forum 
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