[fse-esf] environment seminars

Tue Mar 28 18:15:26 CEST 2006

OK Jonathan,
more or less you answer my question, above all about Cobas seminar. But why you always send yours messages 4 or 5 times (i mean the same message)? Have you any problem with the forwarding or do you think, as Romans did, that "repetita juvant"?
 Ciao, Piero

 Dear Piero,
> 
> Your Cobas seminar has not disappeared. It is in the list that Yannis sent 
> out, and I think it has been merged in the way you want, so I did not write 
> about changes to it. I wrote only about the changes that I knew people 
> wanted.
> 
> I am suggesting only three climate change seminars out of thirteen on the 
> environment. I think all topics in the environment are important, but this 
> is the most important problem we face. Also, there were many more semianrs 
> proposed on climate change than on anything other topic.
> 
> There are two reasons for having seminars on climate and war, and on 
> climate, corporations and social justice. One is that we have said many 
> times in the esf environment network that we do not want a ghetto for the 
> environment, but want to be transversal and reach out to other movements. 
> The other reason is that we will have climate demonstrations in many 
> countries on Nov 4, and we want to involve as many people as we can. For the 
> sort of really big movement we need to force governments to act, we will 
> need to move out far beyond just green groups. That is why our seminars are 
> trying to involve unions (like cobas), peace groups, development ngos, and 
> social movements. The environment is not only an issue for 
> environmentalists.
> 
> I hope this answers your question.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> >From: "piero bernocchi" <pierobernocchi at libero.it>
> >To: "Jonathan Neale" 
> ><findjonathan at hotmail.com>,<yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com>,<fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
> >Subject: Re: [fse-esf] environment seminars
> >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:43:00 +0200
> >
> >Dear all,
> >in fact more than "environment seminars" all this seems "climate change
> >seminars". It is true, dear Jonathan, that "climate change" is a very
> >important question but be careful not arrive to consider this "THE 
> >QUESTION"
> >that summarize all the others. Otherwise, we could arrive to have "The
> >climate change and the war", "The climate change and the education", "The
> >climate change and the health", "The climate change and the sport", "The
> >climate change in the cinema and in the arts" and so on. Anyway, our Cobas
> >seminar in this list is disappeared. What about it, Jon?
> >Ciao, Piero Bernocchi  Cobas
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jonathan Neale" <findjonathan at hotmail.com>
> >To: <findjonathan at hotmail.com>; <yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com>;
> ><fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:46 PM
> >Subject: [fse-esf] environment seminars
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Yannis,
> > >
> > > Thank you to the Greek committee for the work on the mergers. As
> > > always, there are still some things that need a change. There is
> > > room for this. We have been given 10 seminars in environment. In
> > > Frankfurt we asked for 14 and were given 13. THE NUMBER OF SEMINARS IS A
> > > POLITICAL POINT - the environment has a much smaller space for Athens 
> >than
> > > in Paris and London. We do not want it to be even
> > > smaller.
> > >
> > > I think I speak for most of the organizations involved, but I will
> > > send this to the lists and to you, and if anyone disagrees, please
> > > reply to the list, me, and yannis, or just me and yannis.
> > >
> > > ENERGY AND NUCLEAR POWER - At the Frankfurt meeting we agreed that we
> >wanted
> > > a separate meeting on  nuclear power, because the issue is
> > > so important. This means making two seminars from the one you have
> > > on energy 264-292-293-297-284. This is a political point.
> > >
> > > So there would be two seminars here:
> > > One is nuclear power. This is:
> > > 292 - legambiente - nuclear disasters
> > > 293 - campaign against climate change Istanbul - nuclear energy
> > > 284 - Athens ecological movement - from nuclear war (but maybe this
> > > goes with war, I am not sure, ask Wayne Hall)
> > >
> > > Two is energy. This is:
> > > 264 - institute for globalization studies - alternative policies in
> > > energy
> > > 297 - synapsismos youth - power adequacy
> > > 281 - Turkish chambers - energy (This is now in climate change
> > > seminars, but that is the wrong place. It is about energy.)
> > >
> > > CLIMATE CHANGE - You now have two climate change seminars
> > > One is 270,272,281,306,275, 272
> > > Two is 274, 276, 279, 285.
> > > I am not sure of the thinking behind the way they are merged. What
> > > we asked for in Frankfurt was three seminars_
> > > Action
> > > Climate change and war
> > > Corporations, social justice and climate change (in neoliberalism)
> > >
> > > This would be
> > > One - action:
> > > 270 - union of chambers Turkish - climate change
> > > 271 - greenpeace Greece - climate change and politics
> > > 275 - genoa 2001 - climate change
> > > 272 - campaign against climate change - global action
> > > This merger is agreed by union of chambers, genoa, and campaign, and
> > > we all want greenpeace to be involved too.
> > >
> > > Two - environment and social justice (this was going to be in
> > > neoliberalism, but could also be in environment)
> > > 274 - campaign against climate change Britain - climate change,
> > > corporate power and social justice
> > > 276 - anti imperialist component - climate change and social
> > > disasters
> > > 279 - war on want - corporations and climate change
> > > 286 - elele action izmir - gold mining (this is now with COBAS in
> > > another seminar, but they say they want to be here. I am happy with
> > > either.)
> > > 273 - mediterranean sos network - climate change and climate justice
> > > (this is a workshop on your list.)
> > > institute for globalization studies also has a seminar on corporate
> > > power and the environment that they want to merge here. This merger
> > > is agreed by the institute, the campaign, elele action and war on
> > > want. We have not spoken to anti imperialist component or the sos
> > > network,, but I see no problem if oen of them wants to merge.
> > >
> > >
> > > Three - climate change and war
> > > 306 - campaign against climate change Istanbul - war, petroleum and
> > > climate change
> > > 272 - campaign against climate change Britain - climate change and
> > > war.
> > > And maybe 284 - Athens ecological movement - from nuclear war to
> > > climate as weapon (or maybe this goes with nuclear power seminars -
> > > ask Wayne Hall)
> > > This merger is agreed by British and Turkish campaigns.
> > >
> > > NOTE - I know it seems like three seminars on climate change is a
> > > lot. But one is on the environment and social justice, not only
> > > climate change. Also, the two seminars on social justice and war are
> > > transversal, and could as easily be in mondialisation or guerre.
> > >
> > > WATER - As you know, World Development Movement has moved their 278
> > > - corporate takeover of water, to join another merger in
> > > mondialisation.
> > >
> > > DAMS - Here you have 263 - allianoi initiative of izmir on the
> > > effect of dams. But there is also another seminar that I cannot find
> > > on this list now, from two municipalities in southeast Turkey, on
> > > the Ilusu dam. This should be merged here.
> > >
> > > ASSEMBLY - 266 - campaign against climate change - assembly, will
> > > not be assembly of environmental and climate activists, controlled
> > > by many organizations, not only one.
> > >
> > > WORKSHOPS -
> > > 273 sos network - climate change - should be with climate change
> > > seminars, probably on environment and social justice
> > > 304 - friends of nature - sustainable tourism - this should be
> > > agriculture with other seminars on sustainable tourism
> > >
> > >
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