[fse-esf] re fse-esf environment seminars

Tue Mar 28 11:57:39 CEST 2006

Dear Piero,

Your Cobas seminar has not disappeared. It is in the list that
Yannis sent out, and I think it has been merged in the way you want,
so I did not write about changes to it. I wrote only about the
changes that I knew people wanted.

I am suggesting only three climate change seminars out of thirteen
on the environment. I think all topics in the environment are
important, but this is the most important problem we face. Also,
there were many more seminars proposed on climate change than on any other 
topic.

There are two reasons for having seminars on climate and war, and on 
climate, corporations and social justice. One is that we have said
many times in the esf environment network that we do not want a
ghetto for the environment, but want to be transversal and reach out
to other movements. The other reason is that we will have climate
demonstrations in many countries on Nov 4, and we want to involve as many 
people as we can. For the sort of really big movement we need to force 
governments to act, we will need to move out far beyond just green groups. 
That is why our seminars are trying to involve unions (like cobas), peace 
groups, development ngos, and social movements. The environment is not only 
an issue for
environmentalists.

I hope this answers your question.

Jonathan

From: "piero bernocchi" <pierobernocchi at libero.it
To: "Jonathan Neale"
<findjonathan at hotmail.com,<yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com,<fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org
Subject: Re: [fse-esf] environment seminars
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:43:00 +0200

Dear all,
in fact more than "environment seminars" all this seems "climate
change
seminars". It is true, dear Jonathan, that "climate change" is a
very
important question but be careful not arrive to consider this "THE
QUESTION"
that summarize all the others. Otherwise, we could arrive to have
"The
climate change and the war", "The climate change and the
education", "The
climate change and the health", "The climate change and the sport",
"The
climate change in the cinema and in the arts" and so on. Anyway,
our Cobas
seminar in this list is disappeared. What about it, Jon?
Ciao, Piero Bernocchi  Cobas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Neale" <findjonathan at hotmail.com
To: <findjonathan at hotmail.com; <yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com;
<fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: [fse-esf] environment seminars

  Dear Yannis,

  Thank you to the Greek committee for the work on the mergers. As
  always, there are still some things that need a change. There is
  room for this. We have been given 10 seminars in environment. In
  Frankfurt we asked for 14 and were given 13. THE NUMBER OF
SEMINARS IS A
  POLITICAL POINT - the environment has a much smaller space for
Athens than
  in Paris and London. We do not want it to be even
  smaller.

  I think I speak for most of the organizations involved, but I
will
  send this to the lists and to you, and if anyone disagrees,
please
  reply to the list, me, and yannis, or just me and yannis.

  ENERGY AND NUCLEAR POWER - At the Frankfurt meeting we agreed
that we
wanted
  a separate meeting on  nuclear power, because the issue is
  so important. This means making two seminars from the one you
have
  on energy 264-292-293-297-284. This is a political point.

  So there would be two seminars here:
  One is nuclear power. This is:
  292 - legambiente - nuclear disasters
  293 - campaign against climate change Istanbul - nuclear energy
  284 - Athens ecological movement - from nuclear war (but maybe
this
  goes with war, I am not sure, ask Wayne Hall)

  Two is energy. This is:
  264 - institute for globalization studies - alternative policies
in
  energy
  297 - synapsismos youth - power adequacy
  281 - Turkish chambers - energy (This is now in climate change
  seminars, but that is the wrong place. It is about energy.)

  CLIMATE CHANGE - You now have two climate change seminars
  One is 270,272,281,306,275, 272
  Two is 274, 276, 279, 285.
  I am not sure of the thinking behind the way they are merged.
What
  we asked for in Frankfurt was three seminars_
  Action
  Climate change and war
  Corporations, social justice and climate change (in
neoliberalism)

  This would be
  One - action:
  270 - union of chambers Turkish - climate change
  271 - greenpeace Greece - climate change and politics
  275 - genoa 2001 - climate change
  272 - campaign against climate change - global action
  This merger is agreed by union of chambers, genoa, and campaign,
and
  we all want greenpeace to be involved too.

  Two - environment and social justice (this was going to be in
  neoliberalism, but could also be in environment)
  274 - campaign against climate change Britain - climate change,
  corporate power and social justice
  276 - anti imperialist component - climate change and social
  disasters
  279 - war on want - corporations and climate change
  286 - elele action izmir - gold mining (this is now with COBAS
in
  another seminar, but they say they want to be here. I am happy
with
  either.)
  273 - mediterranean sos network - climate change and climate
justice
  (this is a workshop on your list.)
  institute for globalization studies also has a seminar on
corporate
  power and the environment that they want to merge here. This
merger
  is agreed by the institute, the campaign, elele action and war
on
  want. We have not spoken to anti imperialist component or the
sos
  network,, but I see no problem if oen of them wants to merge.

  Three - climate change and war
  306 - campaign against climate change Istanbul - war, petroleum
and
  climate change
  272 - campaign against climate change Britain - climate change
and
  war.
  And maybe 284 - Athens ecological movement - from nuclear war to
  climate as weapon (or maybe this goes with nuclear power
seminars -
  ask Wayne Hall)
  This merger is agreed by British and Turkish campaigns.

  NOTE - I know it seems like three seminars on climate change is
a
  lot. But one is on the environment and social justice, not only
  climate change. Also, the two seminars on social justice and war
are
  transversal, and could as easily be in mondialisation or guerre.

  WATER - As you know, World Development Movement has moved their
278
  - corporate takeover of water, to join another merger in
  mondialisation.

  DAMS - Here you have 263 - allianoi initiative of izmir on the
  effect of dams. But there is also another seminar that I cannot
find
  on this list now, from two municipalities in southeast Turkey,
on
  the Ilusu dam. This should be merged here.

  ASSEMBLY - 266 - campaign against climate change - assembly,
will
  not be assembly of environmental and climate activists,
controlled
  by many organizations, not only one.

  WORKSHOPS -
  273 sos network - climate change - should be with climate change
  seminars, probably on environment and social justice
  304 - friends of nature - sustainable tourism - this should be
  agriculture with other seminars on sustainable tourism

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