[fse-esf] environment seminars

[Jonathan Neale]

Dear Piero,

Your Cobas seminar has not disappeared. It is in the list that Yannis sent 
out, and I think it has been merged in the way you want, so I did not write 
about changes to it. I wrote only about the changes that I knew people 
wanted.

I am suggesting only three climate change seminars out of thirteen on the 
environment. I think all topics in the environment are important, but this 
is the most important problem we face. Also, there were many more semianrs 
proposed on climate change than on anything other topic.

There are two reasons for having seminars on climate and war, and on 
climate, corporations and social justice. One is that we have said many 
times in the esf environment network that we do not want a ghetto for the 
environment, but want to be transversal and reach out to other movements. 
The other reason is that we will have climate demonstrations in many 
countries on Nov 4, and we want to involve as many people as we can. For the 
sort of really big movement we need to force governments to act, we will 
need to move out far beyond just green groups. That is why our seminars are 
trying to involve unions (like cobas), peace groups, development ngos, and 
social movements. The environment is not only an issue for 
environmentalists.

I hope this answers your question.

Jonathan


>From: "piero bernocchi" <pierobernocchi at libero.it>
>To: "Jonathan Neale" 
><findjonathan at hotmail.com>,<yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com>,<fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
>Subject: Re: [fse-esf] environment seminars
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:43:00 +0200
>
>Dear all,
>in fact more than "environment seminars" all this seems "climate change
>seminars". It is true, dear Jonathan, that "climate change" is a very
>important question but be careful not arrive to consider this "THE 
>QUESTION"
>that summarize all the others. Otherwise, we could arrive to have "The
>climate change and the war", "The climate change and the education", "The
>climate change and the health", "The climate change and the sport", "The
>climate change in the cinema and in the arts" and so on. Anyway, our Cobas
>seminar in this list is disappeared. What about it, Jon?
>Ciao, Piero Bernocchi  Cobas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jonathan Neale" <findjonathan at hotmail.com>
>To: <findjonathan at hotmail.com>; <yannisalmpanis at hotmail.com>;
><fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:46 PM
>Subject: [fse-esf] environment seminars
>
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Yannis,
> >
> > Thank you to the Greek committee for the work on the mergers. As
> > always, there are still some things that need a change. There is
> > room for this. We have been given 10 seminars in environment. In
> > Frankfurt we asked for 14 and were given 13. THE NUMBER OF SEMINARS IS A
> > POLITICAL POINT - the environment has a much smaller space for Athens 
>than
> > in Paris and London. We do not want it to be even
> > smaller.
> >
> > I think I speak for most of the organizations involved, but I will
> > send this to the lists and to you, and if anyone disagrees, please
> > reply to the list, me, and yannis, or just me and yannis.
> >
> > ENERGY AND NUCLEAR POWER - At the Frankfurt meeting we agreed that we
>wanted
> > a separate meeting on  nuclear power, because the issue is
> > so important. This means making two seminars from the one you have
> > on energy 264-292-293-297-284. This is a political point.
> >
> > So there would be two seminars here:
> > One is nuclear power. This is:
> > 292 - legambiente - nuclear disasters
> > 293 - campaign against climate change Istanbul - nuclear energy
> > 284 - Athens ecological movement - from nuclear war (but maybe this
> > goes with war, I am not sure, ask Wayne Hall)
> >
> > Two is energy. This is:
> > 264 - institute for globalization studies - alternative policies in
> > energy
> > 297 - synapsismos youth - power adequacy
> > 281 - Turkish chambers - energy (This is now in climate change
> > seminars, but that is the wrong place. It is about energy.)
> >
> > CLIMATE CHANGE - You now have two climate change seminars
> > One is 270,272,281,306,275, 272
> > Two is 274, 276, 279, 285.
> > I am not sure of the thinking behind the way they are merged. What
> > we asked for in Frankfurt was three seminars_
> > Action
> > Climate change and war
> > Corporations, social justice and climate change (in neoliberalism)
> >
> > This would be
> > One - action:
> > 270 - union of chambers Turkish - climate change
> > 271 - greenpeace Greece - climate change and politics
> > 275 - genoa 2001 - climate change
> > 272 - campaign against climate change - global action
> > This merger is agreed by union of chambers, genoa, and campaign, and
> > we all want greenpeace to be involved too.
> >
> > Two - environment and social justice (this was going to be in
> > neoliberalism, but could also be in environment)
> > 274 - campaign against climate change Britain - climate change,
> > corporate power and social justice
> > 276 - anti imperialist component - climate change and social
> > disasters
> > 279 - war on want - corporations and climate change
> > 286 - elele action izmir - gold mining (this is now with COBAS in
> > another seminar, but they say they want to be here. I am happy with
> > either.)
> > 273 - mediterranean sos network - climate change and climate justice
> > (this is a workshop on your list.)
> > institute for globalization studies also has a seminar on corporate
> > power and the environment that they want to merge here. This merger
> > is agreed by the institute, the campaign, elele action and war on
> > want. We have not spoken to anti imperialist component or the sos
> > network,, but I see no problem if oen of them wants to merge.
> >
> >
> > Three - climate change and war
> > 306 - campaign against climate change Istanbul - war, petroleum and
> > climate change
> > 272 - campaign against climate change Britain - climate change and
> > war.
> > And maybe 284 - Athens ecological movement - from nuclear war to
> > climate as weapon (or maybe this goes with nuclear power seminars -
> > ask Wayne Hall)
> > This merger is agreed by British and Turkish campaigns.
> >
> > NOTE - I know it seems like three seminars on climate change is a
> > lot. But one is on the environment and social justice, not only
> > climate change. Also, the two seminars on social justice and war are
> > transversal, and could as easily be in mondialisation or guerre.
> >
> > WATER - As you know, World Development Movement has moved their 278
> > - corporate takeover of water, to join another merger in
> > mondialisation.
> >
> > DAMS - Here you have 263 - allianoi initiative of izmir on the
> > effect of dams. But there is also another seminar that I cannot find
> > on this list now, from two municipalities in southeast Turkey, on
> > the Ilusu dam. This should be merged here.
> >
> > ASSEMBLY - 266 - campaign against climate change - assembly, will
> > not be assembly of environmental and climate activists, controlled
> > by many organizations, not only one.
> >
> > WORKSHOPS -
> > 273 sos network - climate change - should be with climate change
> > seminars, probably on environment and social justice
> > 304 - friends of nature - sustainable tourism - this should be
> > agriculture with other seminars on sustainable tourism
> >
> >
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