[fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
Jon Cloke
damage61 at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 7 17:20:37 CET 2006
Just asking, bello... don't be so touchy! As for what ATTAC in other
countries may say, that's entirely up to them - in ATTAC one is neither
obliged nor beholden to stick to a line or policy set by others...
From: "pierobernocchi\@libero\.it" <pierobernocchi at libero.it>
To: "damage61" <damage61 at hotmail.com>
CC: "jspg" <jspg at otenet.gr>,"fse-esf" <fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
Subject: Re: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:08:27 +0100
Obviusly NOT, my dear. What are you talking about, Jon Cloke? What do you
want to teach us? And by the way, what about ATTAC and your mobilisation (i
mean in Europe) for the withdrawal of all troops (French troops in Lebanon
included)from all the war's fronts?
Ciao ciao Piero Bernocchi
> So, according to COBAS, would Italian troops go to a Darfur, or a
Rwanda?
>
> Jon Cloke
> ATTAC UK
>
>
> From: "piero bernocchi" <pierobernocchi at libero.it>
> To: "CAMPAIGN GENOA 2001 GREECE"
> <jspg at otenet.gr>,<fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>
> Subject: Re: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:33:01 +0100
>
> Dear all,
> in fact, as you probably know, there is now a big split in the italian
> anti-war movement about all these subjects. More or less, we can say that
we
> have three positions in the movement: a first part doesn't give to the
> occupation of Afghanistan the same importance as the Iraqi's occupation;
for
> that, and to avoid to go against Prodi's government, this part didn't
want
> to organise anything when the government, during this summer, decided to
> maintain the troops in Afghanistan (with the vote of DS, Margherita, Prc,
> PdCI, Verdi ecc...); in the same time this part is for the italian
trooops
> on Lebanon. The second part is for the withdrawal from Afghanistan but
not
> from Lebanon. The third part, in which COBAS are, is for the end of all
the
> italian war's missions (Afghanistan, Lebanon, Kosovo ecc..). Now, as
COBAS,
> we are trying to produce an alliance between the organisations and the
> networks which defend the second point of view and the others which
defend
> the third position, so that we can organise a big national demonstration
at
> least for the withdrawal of all the troops from Afghanistan. We want to
> organise this demo in the second part of february, when the Prodi's
> government will vote for the re-financing of all the missions. In any
case,
> as Cobas and others organisations, we'll organise this demo. For all
these
> reasons we didn't celebrate too much the withdrawal from Iraqi (also
> Berlusconi had decided to withdraw the troops from Iraqi within the year
> 2006, so that they could engage more in Afghanistan as NATO troops). But
we
> will celebrate a lot when all the italian troops will be back home from
all
> the fronts of war.
> In solidarity,
> Piero Bernocchi COBAS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CAMPAIGN GENOA 2001 GREECE
> To: fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
>
>
> Dear Haris,
>
> It is not petty politics to criticize a government, like Prondi’s
> parti[pting actively in Bush’s war. There is no difference between war
in
> Iraq and Afghanistan. Both countries are under occupation and Bush’s
> allies face mass popular resistance.
>
> So antiwar movement will continue by demanding troops out now from
> Afghanistan and also from Lebanon. A compromise on this issue is not a
way
> forward for the antiwar movement.
>
> Fraternally,
>
> Petros Constantinou
>
>
>
> Nobody would disagree that the anti-war movement should campaign for
> thewithdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan. However, if we
> underestimatethe importance of Italy’s withdrawal from Iraq (which
> was a victorymainly of our Italian comrades) because of possible
> disagreements withother policies of the Prodi government, we run the risk
of
> being accusedfor petty politics. Haris Golemis -----Original
> Message-----From:
>
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> On Behalf Of Alex CallinicosSent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:31 AMTo:
> Simσ Endre; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org; esfeast at yahoogroups.comSubject:
> Re: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq Dear Simo, I think this
is
> much too simplistic a response, particularly after theNATO summit in Riga
> one of whose main themes was an effort to strengthenthe Western
occupation
> of Afghanistan, in which Italy is participating.We have to remember that
> Bush's 'long war' has several fronts, not justIraq. General Danatt, Chief
of
> the British General Staff, who wants towithdraw British troops from Iraq
> does so partly because he wants tostrengthen the British military
presence
> in Iraq. We need a Europeananti-war movement more than ever to campaign,
not
> only against theoccupation of Iraq, but also for the withdrawal of NATO
> fromAfghanistan. Best wishes,
> Alex Callinicos ----- Original Message ----- From: "SimΓ³ Endre" <
> <mailto:drsimoendre at freemail.hu>drsimoendre at freemail.hu>To: <
> <mailto:fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org> fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>;
> <<mailto:esfeast at yahoogroups.com> esfeast at yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday,
> December 01, 2006 1:44 PMSubject: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from
> Iraq Italy has withdrawn from Iraq all italian soldiers - I have
> justreceived the broadcast information. It's a very important
development.
> Itreflects to me a fundamental changement in the international policy of
> Romano Prodi's centre-left government vis a vis of Belusconi pro war
line.
> It shows that Bush war policy is more and more isolated also inside of
the
> NATO allied. At the same time it is a great success of the italian peace
> movement and by it our commun success in the ESF. Greetings for our
italian
> Friends. Bravi! endre
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