[fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq

Tue Dec 5 17:33:01 CET 2006

Dear all,
in fact, as you probably know, there is now a big split in the italian anti-war movement about all these subjects. More or less, we can say that we have three positions in the movement: a first part doesn't give to the occupation of Afghanistan the same importance as the Iraqi's occupation; for that, and to avoid to go against Prodi's government, this part didn't want to organise anything when the government, during this summer, decided to maintain the troops in Afghanistan (with the vote of DS, Margherita, Prc, PdCI, Verdi ecc...); in the same time this part is for the italian trooops on Lebanon. The second part is for the withdrawal from Afghanistan but not from Lebanon. The third part, in which COBAS are, is for the end of all the italian war's missions (Afghanistan, Lebanon, Kosovo ecc..). Now, as COBAS, we are trying to produce an alliance between the organisations and the networks which defend the second point of view and the others which defend the third position, so that we can organise a big national demonstration at least for the withdrawal of all the troops from Afghanistan. We want to organise this demo in the second part of february, when the Prodi's government will vote for the re-financing of all the missions. In any case, as Cobas and others organisations, we'll organise this demo. For all these reasons we didn't celebrate too much the withdrawal from Iraqi (also Berlusconi had decided to withdraw the troops from Iraqi within the year 2006, so that they could engage more in Afghanistan as NATO troops). But we will celebrate a lot when all the italian troops will be back home from all the fronts of war.
In solidarity,
Piero Bernocchi  COBAS
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: CAMPAIGN GENOA 2001 GREECE 
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  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq

  Dear Haris,

  It is not petty politics to criticize a government, like Prondi’s parti[pting actively in Bush’s war. There is no difference between war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both countries are under occupation and Bush’s allies face mass popular resistance.

  So antiwar movement will continue by demanding troops out now from Afghanistan and also from Lebanon. A compromise on this issue is not a way forward for the antiwar movement.

  Fraternally,

  Petros Constantinou

 Nobody would disagree that the anti-war movement should campaign for thewithdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan. However, if we underestimatethe importance of Italyβ€™s withdrawal from Iraq (which was a victorymainly of our Italian comrades) because of possible disagreements withother policies of the Prodi government, we run the risk of being accusedfor petty politics. Haris Golemis  -----Original Message-----From: fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org[mailto:fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org] On Behalf Of Alex CallinicosSent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:31 AMTo: SimΟƒ Endre; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org; esfeast at yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq Dear Simo, I think this is much too simplistic a response, particularly after theNATO summit in Riga one of whose main themes was an effort to strengthenthe Western occupation of Afghanistan, in which Italy is participating.We have to remember that Bush's 'long war' has several fronts, not justIraq. General Danatt, Chief of the British General Staff, who wants towithdraw British troops from Iraq does so partly because he wants tostrengthen the British military presence in Iraq. We need a Europeananti-war movement more than ever to campaign, not only against theoccupation of Iraq, but also for the withdrawal of NATO fromAfghanistan.                         Best wishes,                        Alex Callinicos  ----- Original Message ----- From: "SimΓ³ Endre" < <mailto:drsimoendre at freemail.hu>drsimoendre at freemail.hu>To: < <mailto:fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org> fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>; <<mailto:esfeast at yahoogroups.com> esfeast at yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:44 PMSubject: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq      Italy has withdrawn from Iraq all italian soldiers - I have justreceived the broadcast information. It's a very important development. Itreflects to me a fundamental changement in the international policy of Romano Prodi's centre-left government vis a vis of Belusconi pro war line. It shows that Bush war policy is more and more isolated also inside of the NATO allied. At the same time it is a great success of the italian peace movement and by it our commun success in the ESF. Greetings for our italian Friends. Bravi!     endre _____________________________________________________NΓ©zzen kΓ¶rΓΌl a KarΓ΅csonyi AjΓ΅ndΓ©kcentrumban!TΓ¶bb ezer ajΓ΅ndΓ©kΓ¶tlettel, akciΓ³kkal, jΓ΅tΓ©kkal vΓ΅rjuk! <http://karacsony.vasarlas.origo.hu/>http://karacsony.vasarlas.origo.hu/ _______________________________________________FSE-ESF mailing list <mailto:FSE-ESF at lists.fse-esf.org> FSE-ESF at lists.fse-esf.org <http://lists.fse-esf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fse-esf>http://lists.fse-esf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fse-esf _______________________________________________FSE-ESF mailing listFSE-ESF at lists.fse-esf.orghttp://lists.fse-esf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fse-esf  

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