[fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
CAMPAIGN GENOA 2001 GREECE
jspg at otenet.gr
Mon Dec 4 12:56:18 CET 2006
Dear Haris,
It is not petty politics to criticize a government, like Prondi’s
parti[pting actively in Bush’s war. There is no difference between war
in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both countries are under occupation and
Bush’s allies face mass popular resistance.
So antiwar movement will continue by demanding troops out now from
Afghanistan and also from Lebanon. A compromise on this issue is not a
way forward for the antiwar movement.
Fraternally,
Petros Constantinou
Haris Golemis <golemis at eppnp.gr> åßðå:
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> Nobody would disagree that the anti-war movement should campaign for
the =
> withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan. However, if we
underestimate =
> the importance of Italy=E2=80=99s withdrawal from Iraq (which was a =
> victory mainly of our Italian comrades) because of possible =
> disagreements with other policies of the Prodi government, we run the =
> risk of being accused for petty politics.
> =20
> Haris Golemis
> =20
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org =
> [mailto:fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org] On Behalf Of Alex Callinicos
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:31 AM
> To: Sim=CF=83 Endre; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org; esfeast at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
> =20
> Dear Simo,
> =20
> I think this is much too simplistic a response, particularly after the =
> NATO summit in Riga one of whose main themes was an effort to
strengthen =
> the Western occupation of Afghanistan, in which Italy is
participating. =
> We have to remember that Bush's 'long war' has several fronts, not
just =
> Iraq. General Danatt, Chief of the British General Staff, who wants to =
> withdraw British troops from Iraq does so partly because he wants to =
> strengthen the British military presence in Iraq. We need a European =
> anti-war movement more than ever to campaign, not only against the =
> occupation of Iraq, but also for the withdrawal of NATO from =
> Afghanistan.
> =20
> Best wishes,
> Alex Callinicos
> =20
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Sim=C3=B3 Endre" < <mailto:drsimoendre at freemail.hu> =
> drsimoendre at freemail.hu>
> To: < <mailto:fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org> fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>; < =
> <mailto:esfeast at yahoogroups.com> esfeast at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:44 PM
> Subject: [fse-esf] Italian total withdrowal from Iraq
> =20
>
>
> Italy has withdrawn from Iraq all italian soldiers - I have just =
> received=20
> the broadcast information. It's a very important development. It =
> reflects=20
> to me a fundamental changement in the international policy of Romano=20
> Prodi's centre-left government vis a vis of Belusconi pro war line.
It=20
> shows that Bush war policy is more and more isolated also inside of
the=20
> NATO allied. At the same time it is a great success of the italian
peace =
>
> movement and by it our commun success in the ESF. Greetings for our=20
> italian Friends. Bravi!
>
> endre
>
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> lang=3DEN-US
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
> EN-US'>Nobody
> would disagree that the anti-war movement should campaign for the =
> withdrawal of
> NATO forces from </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font =
> size=3D2
> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> =
>
Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Afghanistan</span></font></st1:=
> place></st1:country-region><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>. However, if we
> underestimate the importance of =
> </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> =
>
font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Italy</span></font>=
> </st1:place></st1:country-region><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>=E2=80=99s =
> withdrawal from </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> =
>
font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Iraq</span></font><=
> /st1:place></st1:country-region><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> (which was a =
> victory mainly
> of our Italian comrades) because of possible disagreements with other =
> policies
> of the <span class=3DSpellE><span class=3DGramE>Prodi</span></span> =
> government, we
> run the risk of being accused for petty =
> politics.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> lang=3DEN-GB
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
> EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> lang=3DEN-GB
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
> EN-GB'>Haris
> Golemis<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
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> style=3D'font-size:
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>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DTahoma><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----<span =
> class=3DSpellE>Original</span>
> <span class=3DSpellE>Message</span>-----<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
> fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org =
> [mailto:fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org] <b><span
> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alex Callinicos<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday,
December =
> 02, 2006
> 12:31 AM<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Sim=CF=83 Endre;
> fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org; esfeast at yahoogroups.com<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [fse-esf] =
> Italian
> total withdrowal from Iraq</span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear =
> Simo,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think this is much too =
> simplistic
> a response, particularly after the NATO summit in Riga one of
whose =
> main
> themes was an effort to strengthen the Western occupation of =
> Afghanistan, in
> which Italy is participating. We have to remember that Bush's 'long
war' =
> has
> several fronts, not just Iraq. General Danatt, Chief of the British =
> General
> Staff, who wants to withdraw British troops from Iraq does =
> so partly
> because he wants to strengthen the British military presence in =
> Iraq. We
> need a European anti-war movement more than ever to campaign, not only =
> against
> the occupation of Iraq, but also for the withdrawal of NATO from
> Afghanistan.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
> =
>
> Best wishes,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
> =
>
> Alex Callinicos</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message =
> ----- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From: "Sim=C3=B3 =
> Endre" <</span></font><a
> href=3D"mailto:drsimoendre at freemail.hu"><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>drsimoendre at freemail.hu</spa=
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>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>></span></font><o:p></o:p=
> ></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>To: <</span></font><a
> href=3D"mailto:fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org"><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org</s=
> pan></font></a><font
> size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>>; <</span></font><a
> href=3D"mailto:esfeast at yahoogroups.com"><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>esfeast at yahoogroups.com</spa=
> n></font></a><font
> size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>></span></font><o:p></o:p=
> ></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sent: Friday, December
01, =
> 2006 1:44
> PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Subject: [fse-esf]
Italian =
> total
> withdrowal from Iraq</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
> <br>
> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> Arial'> Italy has withdrawn from Iraq all italian
soldiers - =
> I have
> just received <br>
> the broadcast information. It's a very important development. It =
> reflects <br>
> to me a fundamental changement in the international policy of Romano =
> <br>
> Prodi's centre-left government vis a vis of Belusconi pro war line. It =
> <br>
> shows that Bush war policy is more and more isolated also inside of
the =
> <br>
> NATO allied. At the same time it is a great success of the italian
peace =
> <br>
> movement and by it our commun success in the ESF. Greetings for our <br>
> italian Friends. Bravi!<br>
> <br>
> endre<br>
> <br>
> _____________________________________________________<br>
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