AW: [fse-esf] Re: [esf-ceec-wg] Re: EPA Vienna - new information
braun at attac.de
Wed Dec 14 19:57:08 CET 2005
Please let's bring this discussion to a realistic ground. Following the
experiences of two EPA's in Berlin I can confirm that it is impossible to
guaranty a precise sum or percentage of reimbursement. The funds available
depend alone on the participants fees. We in Germany didn't have other
sources. So you can distribute only what you have. You never know the sum
in advance. The appeal to the Austrian organizers is the wrong address. It
must be directed to the whole movement.
May be as the result of a discussion in solidarity we can find a solution -
for example - to pay the participation fees in advance and to make them
Happy New Year to all of you!
German Social Forum
Von: fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org
[mailto:fse-esf-bounces at lists.fse-esf.org] Im Auftrag von prokes at duha.cz
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 19:15
An: esf ceec wg; fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org; EPA.Vienna at reflex.at
Betreff: [fse-esf] Re: [esf-ceec-wg] Re: EPA Vienna - new information
I absolutely agree with Matyas. As I wrote already after EPA Istanbul if you
really want to have a strong participation from CEEC it is of vital
importance to GUARANTEE at least a partial reimbursement of their travel
costs AND to secure a free accommodation, be it on a floor. There are not so
many active people which would risk to pay all the costs. "We will do our
best but we do not guarantee anything" is not sufficient - they want to hear
something like "We guarantee 50 per cent, we will do our best to raise funds
for the rest".
In no way is it enough to rely on the registration fees alone. Do not forget
that CEE pax have also problems to get visa, to get a leave from work/school
(because of a long journey), etc.
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year in which all of us will see a big impetus
for our alterglob movements,
Mirek Prokes, ISF Czechia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matyas Benyik" <mbenyik at freemail.hu>
To: <fse-esf at lists.fse-esf.org>; <esfeast at yahoogroups.com>;
<esf-ceec-wg at ngo-bg.org>; "EPA Vienna" <EPA.Vienna at reflex.at>
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schaefer" <schaefer at mond.at>; <lgabriel at gmx.net>; <anna.daimler at oeh.ac.at>;
<vera.gusenbauer at oeh.univie.ac.at>; <karin.kueblboeck at attac.at>;
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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: [esf-ceec-wg] Re: EPA Vienna - new information
> Dear Friends,
> Thanking you for the new pieces of information, which are discouraging for
> the Eastern Europeans (e.g. especially as for free accomodation and for
> travelcost reimbursement).
> Anyhow it is of vital importance for us to have our say in the ESF
> We wish to request the Vienna EPA organisers to
> secure timeslot and room for the Initiative for the Central and Eastern
> European Social Forum (CEESF) on Friday 6th January 2006. Will you please
> Thanking you in advance,
> Friendly greetings,
> Matyas Benyik
> International Working Group
> of the Initiative for CEESF
> HSF Foundation
> Attac Hungary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "EPA Vienna" <EPA.Vienna at reflex.at>
> To: <adam at sudptt.fr>; <isolation at post.com>; <sandersson at webaid.nu>;
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:10 PM
> Subject: EPA Vienna - new information
> > Dear participants,
> > we have to correct the last email due to some recent changes. Please
> > the follwing information carefully.
> > 1) Finances
> > a) Solidarity fund
> > As at every EPA, every particpant will pay ? 10 into the solidarity
> > Additionaly, every particpating organisation will play 50? into the
> > This fund supports people who cannot afford their travel and stay and
> > stand in a close relationship to the ESF process. As the fund has to
> > finance the food costs and costs for the rent of the Kongresshaus, the
> > money for people who cannot afford their participation will be quite
> > small. Please do not count on this fund! Please try to organise the
> > for the travel costs from your own organisation!
> > When the solidarity fund is empty, we can do nothing about it. Please
> > note, that we cannot guarantee the refundation of your
> > costs! The money will be divided in equal shares to different countries,
> > the people from these countries will have to share the money between
> > Additionaly, there is an organisation which will provide financial
> > for a limited number of people from the new Eastern European
> > Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia and Turkey. They only provide money for 2-3
> > persons from each country. This organisation gets money from the EU and
> > therefore relies on strict rules. They cannot support people from other
> > countries than mentioned above.
> > Additionally, the organisation cannot pay in advance. They will send you
> > the money when you sent them the copies of your invoices, boarding
> > etc.
> > 2) Visa
> > Some of you have already sent the required information for the formal
> > letter. Some of you have only sent their name. Please note:
> > We need your name, country, city, birth date, your fax number, your
> > Austrian Embassy's fax number in order to send you the formal letter.
> > I you have not done so anyway, please send us the information as soon as
> > possible
> > Please note, that we can only support Visa for people from countries
> > get supported via Trialog. We cannot bear the financial risk of your
> > travel because of the reasons mentioned above. You will have to organise
> > the money (and therefore the visa) for the travel by yourself.
> > 3) Accomodation
> > We will not book any youth hostels or hotels. Please book yourself. On
> > http://esf.socialforum.at are addresses of close youth hostels and
> > Do this as soon as possible, as there are holidays in January.
> > 4) Free accomodation
> > Unfortunately, the Viennese schools have not been cooperative and
> > therefore we didn't manage to organise a dormitory.
> > We are currently trying to find as many private flats at friends of us
> > providing free sleeping places for you. But the number of people who
> > require free sleeping places is too large. Please take a sleeping bag
> > a meadow with you, for the case that there are too many people for too
> > beds.
> > 5) Raw Program
> > The Program Group will meet on Jan 5th. The other networks will meet
> > Jan 6th to Jan 8th.
> > Currently, the following groups have asked for a room on Jan. 6th:
> > - Constitution Group: 2pm - 7 pm
> > - European Local Social Forum Network Group: Must not collide with the
> > "Women Group" and the "Constitution Group"
> > - Precarity-Exclusion-Poverty Group
> > - Anti-Racist Group
> > - Health-Group: 5pm - ?pm
> > Please inform us about further group meetings so we can arrange the
> > Regards,
> > EPA Team Vienna
> > --
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